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seanachai

Sharing opinion on Ocrevus and PPMS...

For various privacy reasons, not just my own, I won't go into much detail to protect the innocent..... but I strongly felt this was worth sharing.... I met a prominent Haematologist (probably understatement) who is one the leaders in HSCT treatment in the UK, we spoke about HSCT obviously as well as alternative treatments. The conclusion after the discussion was the following with respect to alternatives to HSCT if you are PPMS........ Ocrevus has been around for a long time (20 yrs) in the form of Rituxan.... however the patent on Rituxan expires soon... so que Ocrevus.... in terms of efficacy, the view I received was little or no difference..... in essence this was a big pharma monetary spin.... I did google this and found out some interesting differences between the drugs, but in terms of efficacy, jury is out... I have to be honest, this was the first tangible time, I really felt sceptical about the pharma... hearing from this individual; its worth adding the respective conversation and opinions in no way served their own purposes, it was slightly out of context in fact..... Its worth pointing out, the conversation started out with the respective individual asking in a balanced manner, whether we had we done our R&D on Ocrevus vs HSCT and why we were not considering Ocrevus.... when cornered with the R&D we had conducted.... their view was more honest/transparent.... The message was if you are PPMS your choices are Ocrevus or HSCT ... its not even a comparison.... HSCT is really the choice, even when risks are considered..... Like all DMDs, they may delay the pattern or course of events..... but long term outcomes are always the same, SPMS in 16-18 yrs.... e.g. you might have no relapses for 1-12 yrs but when they come, it might be regular or like freight train, resulting the same long-term outcome... However HSCT, will halt for 3-8 yrs..... be your own judge, but know the facts and data.
@californiadreamin

@seanachai its actually pretty well documented why roche stopped the rituximab trial for MS. Its unfortunate but I dont think its a conspiracy. In their shoes would you be willing to spend the millions it would take to finish the trial knowing you will never make the money back? Ocrevus is similar but the main advantage is that for Rituximab for some portion of people after a few years you are no longer as effective with the drug. Because Ocrevus is not chimeric it doesnt have the same problem. So in the end its a question of are you in the camp that end up getting Rituximab a few years out and not getting any value from it. While I dont fault pharma for not seeing Rituximab through why arent more independent groups finishing the research? Sweden is a country that uses it widely with very effective results, so I guess the trial probably doesnt need to be done since there is enough real world data.

@seanachai

The main point is that Ocrevus is being held up as a beacon for folks with PPMS, when in fact Rituximab has been around for 20+ years and has almost the same result. IMHO the efficacy for PPMS for both is pretty poor when compared to HSCT. Its not about conspiracy, it is just another example of money making machine that phara is... Whilst Rituximab is chimeric, in trials comparing the two, it hasn't shown to be any significant differences in the short-term at least. Like you said, Sweden have been using it for a long time to positive effect. Like all DMDs, both Ocrevus and Rituximab have side effects.