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Angela351

MDMA made my MS go away for 5 hours

Hey all, just checking to see if anyone had the same experience. I took a small amount MDMA and I could do things I couldn't before. For about 5 hours I could stand long enough to have a conversation without having to find a seat. I could dance for an entire song. I was running up stairs and moving like I was healthy. It was rather amazing. I checked out the side effects and they list possible neurological impairment which I have ALL THE TIME!! So just curious if anyone else has tried it. thanks for the responses

cameron

@cameron

What is it exactly? Sounds interesting!

Angela351

@Angela351

It's the party drug called molly or ecstasy. The kids do doses of 150-200mg I do about 2.5 to 3mg. Twice a day when I use it.

cherish

@cherish

@Angela351 Good morning to you. I think if it works for you then that's great! Good when something makes you feel half human for a bit. But.... I'm terrified at the prospect of legal highs. If I knew every pack of Molly contained exactly the same ingredients then I'd maybe consider it. I just visualize the schoolad in the shed up the backyard with his Bunsen burner adding some silly shit. Lol. My imagination is probably my enemy. Have you done it a few times? And do you get the same effect each time? Ps... I've done alot worse than Molly in the past (not smak though). Cheers Ang. Lisa xxxx

Angela351

@Angela351

Good morning Lisa , I had the same fears about trying it but after 23 years of every activity in my life being hard I said fuck it! and I am glad I did. I decided life is so short and I don't know how long I will be walking around on my own. This year I got my first wheel chair and although it is wonderful for getting around it is still a wheel chair! It is not legal and I know the person well that gets me the drug so not a lot of fear of getting crap. I have been getting the same effect every time but have only been using it for about 6-8 months and use two to three times a week. As for other drugs tried coke once no big thing and I smoke weed a few times a day everyday for the last 15 years.

Angela351

@Angela351

Good morning. I have been using it for 6-8 months 2-3 times a week. I also take provigil 400mg a day. The drug is not legal and I know the person I get it from so no worries about getting crap. My neurologist wanted to put me on the Fampyra but it is just to increase walking speed and he couldn't tell me it would work so I passed. I don't do drugs that make me feel like shit or don't make me feel any better when I take them, drives my doc crazy.lol This stuff is amazing, I can walk up a fight of stairs better yet I can run! Personally unless someone tells me that it is going to kill me I am going to keep taking 5 hours vacations from this crappy disease. Hope this helped

vasy

@vasy

Microdosing MDMA is possibly a bad idea as it will deplete your serotonin levels. In the meantime I find microdosing with psychedelics like psylocibine or synthetic analogs like 4-AcO-DMT or 4-HO-MET to be very helpful with both mental and physical productivity and general wellbeing.

Angela351

@Angela351

I have looked into DMT but not the other. I have found if I use 0.2 in the morning then again in the afternoon This gives me energy and the ability to get stuff done. I don't use everyday and used to get a hangover and dragging feeling the next morning after I use but that has stopped. Thanks for the info I am going to follow up with the DMT and I will let you if I try it. Have a great day Angela

jen12

@jen12

Yes girl. It is the only solution for me but i only get the relief once a year bc there's no doctors brave enough to just to admit it works. It's scarce here but i dream of the day they finally include it in therapy for ms and not just ptsd.

Carmen

@Carmen

Hi...my husband has MS and he and I take MDMA sometimes to heal trauma and when he is under the influence of MDMA he has no MS symptoms. We would really like to know why this is....so...does anybody know? Thanks!

Carmen

@Carmen

Oh..and by the way...we have also done Ayahuasca 3 times and it also helped my husband with his MS symptoms. So both things have helped a lot, now the question is, why????

Stumbler

@Stumbler

Hi @carmen and welcome. Does this article add anything to the discussion:- https://www.ft.com/content/6390d714-7506-11e4-a418-00144feabdc0 ?

Carmen

@Carmen

Hi @Stumbler...don't have a subscription so can't read the article...what is it about??

Stumbler

@Stumbler

@carmen , try and put "When drugs do work" into a Google search and see if it finds the FT link. That seems to work,

Carmen

@Carmen

@stumbler...thanks...I did find the article...very interesting! I know of the effects of MDMA for mental health illnesses, after all I recovered from multiple PTSD's, major depression, bipolar and borderline (structure) and my psychiatrist said he had never seen anybody recover completely from these illnesses the way I did. I do have a good understanding on how MDMA works to heal the mind but I'm trying to understand how it works on the body, from alleviating MS symptoms to improve chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia and dysautonomia (an illness of the autonomic nervous systems). I have sent couple emails to the MAPS organisation (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) asking for an answer on this but I haven't heard from them...maybe they don't know either how and why it works. I would really like to know since I want my husband to have the best quality of life possible and at the same minimize risks while taking MDMA.

Hels

@Hels

Hi @vasy You can get supplements called 5-HTP from any health shop that will help replenish seretonine levels. They help people with depression and forming sleep patterns.

Carmen

@Carmen

@vasy and @hels...my husband and I have taken, combined, about 60 times MDMA and we usually take between 130 and 140 mcg of MDMA and we have never had any problems with serotonin levels and I used to be clinically depressed before I started taking MDMA. Apparently when used as a party drug the effect is completely different than when it is taken for healing purposes.

Bernardo

@Bernardo

Hi all, At the end of 2017 i was diagnosed with MS, after this diagnose the dicease got a lot worse and there are times i can not sleep cause of extreme pains in my legs, and i have also pain in arms and hands. I also found out MDMA is working like hell for me, after using an 100-150mg the pain is gone for 5-10 days, the dicease and symptomes doesn't go away 100% but the pain is gone and walking got a lot easier and i can continue doing my daily processes. I've been taking doses of 100-150mg almost on weekly base for the last 5 months now and it gave me back my life. Yesterday unfortunatly i had an ms attack causing a lot of pain in my feet and hands, i had to leave work because i could barely walk or do anything. After coming at home i took a dose of 50mg of MDMA and 1 hour after taking this dose all the pain was gone and i could do everything agian. The MDMA litterally stoped the attack and gave me back my life again. I don't know how and why it works, but what i do know is that it works! I've been searching the entire internet but unfortunatly i found only a small amount of simular cases, and i am very disappointed about the fact that there is really no research about using MDMA as a medicine. I am now thinking about doing micro doses on a daily base hoping there won't be any attacks anymore. I hope someday there will be a research and MDMA can be available for everyone diagnosed with MS to regain their lives

birdboy

@birdboy

Hi @bernado, If you are going to take MSMA on a daily basis then it might be a good idea to also take 5-HTP, one of the building blocks of Seretonin, in order to help keep your Serotonin levels at the baseline.

DominicS

@DominicS

@angela351 - and any others that buy 'street meds'. An important thing to remember is that unless you know the manufacturer - not the seller - and can guarantee the quality and consistency of the raw materials as well as the accuracy of the manufacturing process you are on a very sticky wicket health wise. Forget any of the illegality concerns for you, the manufacturer is taking large risks. Because of that they will take far higher risks with the materials and processes. The person that can be harmed forever is you. The raw materials, the fillers etc in an approved med are all incredibly highly regulated to ensure safety and consistency. As soon as you go illegal you do not bother with that and they do not care. really, they do not care one iota. You are taking very high risks if, like most of us here, you already have MS. I have been inside these illegal operations (after the fact, I might add!) and they are shockingly cavalier with cleanliness alone. Filthy didn't begin to describe it. I'll get my drugs from the NHS, thank you ;) Best, Dominic

Bernardo

@Bernardo

@birdboy i already did some research myself before getting into this, I know MDMA has a great impact on your serotonine levels and with 5-htp you regain serotonine faster. I am already taking multiple supplements. Now i am taking 5-htp as you suggest and alco vitamine C, MSM, and L-arginine. These supplements are indeed very helpfull to get everything in order the next days. Untill now i am still able to continue my daily life better then before taking MDMA combined with the supplements. But thanks for your concerns and sharing your knowledge.

sfrox

@sfrox

Does anyone on this thread who has experienced reduction in MS symptoms have vision impairment from optic neuritis and did the MDMA help with that? Cheers

Bernardo

@Bernardo

I don't have visual impairments so i can not give a propper answer on that one, as i said i don't know how but it works for me and the symptomes i have, but as you know there are multiple medicines used and not every medicine works for everyone, but for me MDMA works to reduce my symptomes. Without facing al the bad side effect as i had from other tried medicines that doesn't reduce my symptomes as much as MDMA do. Maybe it only works temporarrely but as long as it works my life is better then don't use it at all. There are no guarantees in life and especially not with this dicease but untill now it made my life a lot better at the moment for 5 months now i am able to do things i wasn't able to do before.

Hels

@Hels

@sfrox Too much MDMA can blur your eyesight so thinking it might hinder more than help, not sure though. I’ve not got optic neuritis so can’t comment but from my clubbing days eyes were rolling all over the place!!!!

sfrox

@sfrox

@hels Great thread & response anyway, thank you :)

birdboy

@birdboy

Also, my neurologist asked me to avoid taking any more MDMA as it could increase my lesions. Not sure how or why, but I'm going to pick him up on it the next time I see him!

Hels

@Hels

@birdboy Too much MDMA can cause your brain to over heat, maybe this is the trail of thought? Over heating can’t do existing lesions any good I imagine.

watsoncraig

@watsoncraig

To say I'm dubious is an understatement, MDMA (ecstasy) has such a bad press! If it works good, but hard to explain to PC Plod.

Bernardo

@Bernardo

I am not seeing any neurologists since i, ve stopped taking my prescripted drugs early 2018 because the neurologist made clear to me that he is not able t give any other threathments then the ones written in the protocol of the hospital. There are multiple medicines to choose from, but i only got to chance to choose medicines that the hospital allowed his neurologists to give prescriptions for. This makes me think about the fact where they stand for. Are they standing for personal threathments and well being for patients, or do they stand for financial advantage? I think we al know the pharmacy and everything around it is a big profit organisation and after my last appointment and the neurologist wouldnt even talk about other threathments with a lot of possitive feedbacks on the internet i've made the descision to stop the threathment and stop taking the prescripted drugs because i experienced the threath was worse then the disease. Therefore i am not able to ask my neurolist about the usage of MDMA but i think that he would not even give me an honest answer anyway because MDMA is not written in any protocal. This is why i am now my own test person without any survailance. I am glad to hear anyones experiences with MDMA and MS and if anyone think it is a good or bad idea please explain why it should be a good or bad idea. All these experiences could help me make the discision stopping or going on. But my own experience so far is only good.

Jay_Puckett

@Jay_Puckett

I guess that small of a dose you are taking sublingual?

doubleo7HUD

@doubleo7HUD

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9XD8yRPxc8 Doing some swatting up 😂 really interesting 🤔 swatting up on this stuff

BeeNZ

@BeeNZ

Hey! Stumbled across this thread while doing a google search on MS and MDMA. My partner and I have used it a few times just at home together. I did overheat once when I took a 2nd dose in the same evening and I think that triggered a relapse 😭 The other few times I’ve just had 100mg and been fine. I’m interested that so many people are saying it relieves their symptoms.. my walking becomes more difficult with it because all my muscles stiffen and don’t want to relax. Anyone else experienced this? I like the idea of trying micro dosing regularly but obviously need to do a lot more research before I go down that line.. I don’t take any DMDS but I do take LDN. Thanks! 🤗

ariana98

@ariana98

PLEASE do not go and do what this woman is doing and take MDMA. It is extremely dangerous and has detrimental effects on the brain. The worst possible thing you can do when you have a disease such as MS.

bruceter

@bruceter

Clearly not the worst possible thing you can do. The problem is surely that content and concentrations cannot be guaranteed when buying a controlled substance from an uncontrolled source. There may well be unintended/ emergent effects, and any non-lab test is unlikely to have sufficient rigour as to be replicable, even by the subject. I understood MDMA to delay the uptake of seratonin? I fail to see how seratonin would help physical symptoms, although no doubt (until it wears off) it would improve mood. I have seen anecdotal reports that users suffer a mood ‘backlash’ for hours or days after a recreational- (i.e. nightclub-) level dose. I would think negative thoughts and perhaps general (if not actually clinical) depression a real risk for MS sufferers and MDMA users alike. In combination, this risk must be powerful. Interested to hear more from people who’ve tried it. Would like to see the effect on the mean duration of a timed walk over 25m, one hour after dosing, compared to prior value (empty stomach, no caffeine or other stimulants/meds eg Fampyra)

Looking48cure

@Looking48cure

Hi @sfrox I got this optic neuritis problem now and may have to try this MDMA thing ago.... so will defo let u know of my conclusion. I will take small doses at first cos I remember taking a huge amount last time in a club (raving) and that made me relaspe 😣 but after reading this tread I'm intrigued to try small doses and see how that goes.. I believe after taking a huge amount that time I must of overheated the brain thus relapse so this will measure my intake and report.