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choozysuzy

chocolate and ms

I am just reading a book about food intolerances and allergies.This is a new one on me ,have never seen this mentioned anywhere else. "One new theory is that chocolate plays a part in developing MS.Clearly it does not produce ms in everyone,but there may be a small number of people who are unusually susceptible to something in chocolate.The limited evidence available suggests that the reaction is a slow one,perhaps taking as long as a week ,so it may not be obvious that eating chocolate(or an especially large amount of chocolate)has triggered a deterioration in the condition of an MS patient. Some MS patients have halted the progress of their disease by cutting out chocolate.While the existing damage to the nerves does not disappear,no further decline occurs.Since chocolate is not an essential part of anyone's diet,nutritionally speaking,there can be no harm in trying this out.Some doctors also advise cutting out coffee,cola and strong tea at the same time,as they contain some of the same drug-like chemicals that are found in chocolate. Because of the natural cycle of remissions,described above,it may be necessary to live without chocolate for some time to assess the effects realistically." Anyone heard this before?

reddivine

@reddivine

Chocolate vs MS? No competition, sorry, I'll stick with the MS!!!

boodle06

@boodle06

I've heard chocolate can be bad because of the dairy content of it I believe, but I understand I may be completely wrong but I think dark chocolate is ok...???

Gav

@Gav

I know thazt when I eat a largeish quantity of schocolate it makes me feel rubbish, but this a fairly immeadiate reaction. I always figure it was the increase in my sugar levels, but who knows...

Stumbler

@Stumbler

So, does this mean I should get rid of my supply of chocolate body paint? :(

pottypete

@pottypete

I have heard of this research before. I'm not a chocoholic though, so don't worry about it.

choozysuzy

@choozysuzy

It is the contributing to developing Ms that I have not heard before.

scotkiwi

@scotkiwi

Given this joyful condition gives me enough to deal with, it can take a long walk off a short plank if it is going to meddle with my chocolate consumption abilities!! Dont get me wrong, I am not a chocolate monster, but I do enjoy a sneaky piece now and then.

choozysuzy

@choozysuzy

Me too scotkiwi.

lloyd

@lloyd

No don't tell me this I love chocolate on my ice cream with almonds and I like Dove dark chocolate and eat it all the time. How will I live without chocolate chip cookies, I like them more than cookie monster.

Becks

@Becks

i'm with you reddivine - chocolate over the ms anyday!!! :-)

chueykooh

@chueykooh

That sucks if that's true, I'm screwed :( I drink coffee and tea all day long. I eat some chocolate, not a huge amount, but some. I was recently tested for food allergies and dairy came back as slightly sensitive, so maybe I'll be ok, just don't know what I would do without my 5 cups of coffee everyday. I could live without tea I guess but I always have at least a cup of green or white tea every day for the antioxidants. Dark chocolate is good for antioxidants but it is still chocolate. I wonder if it's because it's high in fat, a lot of "MS diets" are low fat.

jat721

@jat721

I can't go a day without chocolate. I am definately a chocoholic. Even still, I have good days and bad days. My neighbor even has a yearly "chocolate party" where everyone brings a homemade chocolate dessert and we all sample them and vote on different awards. There's 25+ desserts at this party and I try to sample them all. Lets just say this last one was at the end of February, just after I was diagnosed and recovering from a relapse. I felt great the next day, it had no effect. So I will definately NOT be cutting chocolate out of my diet... Without chocolate, I wouldn't be living!

chueykooh

@chueykooh

<a href='https://shift.ms/community/people/jat721/' rel='nofollow'>@jat721</a> What day is this and what is your neighbors address :)

richi1990

@richi1990

uuuuuh chocooos, i cant live with chocolates! can join u guys on the choco party?! :D

jenko1972

@jenko1972

Hi I haven't eaten chocolate for 2 years, miss it, but it's just another one of those things I don't eat anymore. Best wishes Neil

rachela

@rachela

To me I think anything can be bad for you...if it's not heart disease, it's diabetes etc. Personally I believe in 'everything in moderation'. Although I don't eat ALOT of chocolate. We've got to have some joy in life right?

DanRB80

@DanRB80

Wow this is upsetting i was diagnosed as dairy intollerant two years ago but ignore it most times as it doesnt make me sick if i reduce amounts but i have noticed feeling 'weird' and 'MSie' after i have a bar or two. I will eat it in moderation still but will check my sensations afterwards (if any)

loulou

@loulou

not a chocolate lover myself but every year I REALLY enjoy that cadbury's Easter egg, you know the one that has the chicken print and the zig zag pattern on it !, been going for years, especially when it has been in the fridge!!!

phoenixfire92

@phoenixfire92

I am lactose intolerant but love that lactaid pills allow me to have cheesy lasagna and chocolate and lactaid brand icecream is delicious. sorry MS you cant have this. I need to organize a chocolate party now

DanRB80

@DanRB80

My killer for me is free from chocolate i can eat loads of it as there is no dairy in it woo hoo

smallbrowngirl

@smallbrowngirl

Choozysuzy, I'm not entirely convinced on the theory that chocolate plays a part in developing MS. I agree with many MSers, I adore dark chocolate and eat it daily. And you can’t ignore the fact that it’s packed with natural antioxidants, dark chocolate sits in the same good-for-you category as green tea and blueberries

lloyd

@lloyd

Smallbrowngirl I tend to agree with you, especially since I love dark chocolate.

greendragonfly77

@greendragonfly77

I agree, all things in moderation. A little chocolate is a necessary part of life. MS already robs us of so many things, don't let it take our chocolate too!

reddivine

@reddivine

<a href='https://shift.ms/community/people/Stumbler/' rel='nofollow'>@Stumbler</a>, no you can keep the body paint. I mean, I presume YOU are not licking it off yourself eh? Possibilities are endless....

emmak

@emmak

Have you heard that studies show you can cure a cold in week by drinking loads of camomile tea. Test results has also shown that if not you are not drinking the camomile tea, you have to go through it, seven days... Are you sure it is not one of those stories that you refer to...? ;)

mwilliamsbeldnet

@mwilliamsbeldnet

doctors say darjk unprocessed chocolate is good foryour heart as well as coffee, i cannot drink caffeinated coffee but love 3orso ounces of chocolate at stress times, don't want to stop chocolate ever,

lightningduck

@lightningduck

Does frellin' *everything* cause MS?!?!

lorag

@lorag

I believe that, I just had a choc browie and I felt horrible as I do with any chocolate, I try to be diary free and when I have a moment I buy diary free chocolate which I find quiet tasty. So I do believe this is true by my own experience. Also I have cut out coffee because it made me feel horrible pysically and mentially ha ha this was hard to give up because I am italian and we love our espresso.

Stumbler

@Stumbler

Chocolate comes from cocoa, which comes from a tree. Therefore, chocolate is a vegetable and should count as one of your "five a day"!!!!! :)

CBeebies

@CBeebies

I'm following Jellinek's diet advice but still having some chocolate if dark and vegan with less other crap in it. A couple of squares doesn't seem to affect me in any way, I'll just maybe only have some on days I know my saturated fat consumption is very low otherwise.

kimmsdietforwomen

@kimmsdietforwomen

I have heard that it is the saturated fat in chocolate that could be the problem. There is also a small amount of transfats in chocolate, which is pretty lethal stuff. It was Dr. Swank, the famous MS diet researcher, who found that people who really cut down on saturated fat lived symptom free well into old age. There is also some evidence that caffeine can cause a flare up of symptoms. I have recently started a blog to share my ups and downs on my journey to beat MS. This is the diet that I currently follow: http://www.msdietforwomen.com/ms-diet. It's been difficult to change my lifestyle so drastically but fully worth it when I feel so normal and full of energy. Hope it helps!

jenko1972

@jenko1972

Hi, Thank you for posting this link. Feel a bit guilty cause i'm not a woman. Never knew that Dr. Swank had MS. Pretty much follow all the rules. Except for pasta will watch it in the future! I believe/hope that diet is real important. This website makes it all very simple. Best wishes Neil

kimmsdietforwomen

@kimmsdietforwomen

Hi Neil Thanks for your feedback. The blog is aimed at women because I am a woman. I wanted other women with ms to be able to relate to my daily struggles. However the basic info is definitely also for men :) Really hope you found the info useful! Putting all the research I've done into one place really helps me to see a clear path to overcoming ms. Well done on the diet changes! Why don't you give gluten free pasta a try. You can get it from all major supermarkets in the UK (not sure where you are from actually). It tastes pretty similar. I have also taken a liking to gluten free bread. I can definitely feel the difference. When I eat gluten now I feel awful. All the best!

jocelynpo

@jocelynpo

I read something like that as well in a natural remedies for MS book, and I've been without chocolate (except for the rare occasional times like on my bday), and I've been symptom free for nearly 5 yrs. I only had one minor attack of vertigo, but it went away completely with steroids. My prior attack was so serious I was put in the hospital for 6 weeks, so that's why I was willing to change my diet and even eliminate things I love like chocolate. You can do it if you just are determined. The first 2 weeks of any dietary changes are always the hardest. And by 1-2 months, you won't even be craving it anymore.

DanRB80

@DanRB80

Chocolate is also part of a healthy diet. Cocoa beans -vegetable? Milk - cows eat grass (vegetable) Sugar - it's a cane so a vegetable That's three of your five a day. If you have fruit and nut well there's two more, so that is 5 a day in one bar. And it helps release endorphins in the brain to make us feel good. So bingo

Graham100

@Graham100

OK. That's it I'm going to give up chocolate and coffee. (NOT) bloody hell might as well cut my throat and be done with it. Lol. Moderation is the key.

TracyD

@TracyD

Well lucky for us that we all already have MS and don't need to worry about getting it from Chocolate consumption :-)

gojira

@gojira

These comments have done nothing but give me a craving for a chocolate covered espresso bean!! :)

BrokenDancer

@BrokenDancer

I saw details about a small trial that seemed to have been sparked by this. Had to say no but I'm going to be increasing my chocolate intake if anything! ;) https://msandbeyond.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/ms-inflammation-and-chocolate/

northernlass

@northernlass

I'm with @tracyd :) Already have MS so no point in giving up the choccy "be like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.." One teeny tiny bonus there then.. :)

Graham100

@Graham100

@brokendancer. That was a good link. I'm going to get my wife to read it as she keeps telling me. No more chocolate,, I'm only 10st6lb so can afford to eat more I think. Lol

Algy

@Algy

Hmm, interesting how over 3 years since this post started the thinking on the effects of chocolate have altered. Whilst we all do everything we can to alleviate MS it's always best to do a lot of research before making changes, preferably based on clinical trials, where possible. Latest thinking... http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/wellbeing/ms-patients-test-fatigue-fighting-capabilities-of-chocolate-11364016977403

TracyD

@TracyD

There's also a trial ongoing to validate the potential benefits of types of chocolate on MS symptoms .... https://shift.ms/forums/topic/a-licence-to-have-chocolate/ Overall I'll wait for the trial results before removing or increasing the chocolaty pleasure in my life :-) xx