OGradyGirl 06/05/12
Last reply 2 years ago
DVLA Driving me crazy!!!

Hey guys!! hope u are all well! I was wondering if anyone has had any issues with DVLA. I sent my licence to them in Nov 2011 to advise of my MS and haven’t had it back yet!!! I know they are just doing their job but 6 months is a bit ridiculous is it not??? They have repeatedly asked for the same info over and over again and I have done a driving assessment in which the assessor at the hospital said I was fine to drive an automatic car which I am now doing but would like to have my licence back!! has anyone else had these issues? and if its a 3 yr renewable licence I get back does anyone know if ill need to go through the same issues again in 3 yrs time?? xxx

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daisy
6 years ago

I understand your frustration, it took me six months to get a provisional driving licence – I think it’s just one of those things that takes ages!


Becks
6 years ago

the first time was the longest and it wouldn’t surprise me if it was 6 months back then (this was 12 years ago!) but there is a delay each time you renew the 3 year licence but it was quicker than the 1st application. fortunately i just keep the letter from DVLA saying that i can still drive whilst they make their determination and i diidn’t need to hire a car whilst i waited for them to return my licence to me!


aardvark
6 years ago

I’ve been wondering about this. My MS nurse said that I should communicate with the DVLA to inform them of my joyous news. That was a couple of months ago and I’ve still not made any attempt to get in touch with them.

I would be a bit stuffed without my licence (well Mrs aardvark would, as without it I couldn’t pick her up from the station in the evening). How long does the whole thing take to get sorted? Is driving whilst awaiting their response OK? Will they forgive me for the fact that I’ve moved home about a zillion times in the past and never contacted them before, so the address on my licence bares no relationship to anywhere I’ve lived in the last 15 years?


ophelia
6 years ago

Eek….and I thought I was bad being a year behind with changing my address!! You really do need to change your address first and foremost!! I’ve done my DVLA paperwork today . From what I understand you may continue to drive, they trust you will use your judgement as to whether you are able to drive or not!! I’m not sure what happens from this point on, but I’d hazard a guess as to some communication with the neuro and maybe some sort of assessment? Unless vision is affected in BOTH eyes you will be fine to retain your licence, they’ll have to decide wether it needs renewing every 1 or 3 years. All sounds pretty sensible, just don’t know how long it’ll take to reach a decision. Have you informed your insurance company too? That’s still on my ‘to do’ list!!


Becks
6 years ago

you must must must notify dvla and insurance company asap. They will contact your doctor which is why the paperwork takes so long but the dvla letter does say as long as you feel fit to drive you can do so whilst you await your licence to be returned – i was put on a 3 year licence 12 years ago. I have not had to have any assessment it has all been done on paper with the dvla writing to my doctor.
If you have not informed your insurance company you will be invalidating your insurance and will in effect be driving without insurance so if you are involved in an accident not only will you not be covered but it is a criminal offence and you can be prosecuted – your insurers will want to know that you have notified the dvla.


aardvark
6 years ago

@Becks

I consider myself suitably chastised. 🙂

I’ll get Mrs aardvark to talk to the insurance company on Tuesday. I’ll try to summon the courage to speak to the DVLA as well.


Becks
6 years ago

🙂
hey its the legal eagle in me – i head up a road traffic team at work and we are just getting involved with a matter where the driver that caused an accident had MS and wasn’t fit to drive and i would hate anyone else to be in that position.
it shoud be all straight forward though – famous last words – good luck – let me know how you get on!


Sarah_T
6 years ago

@aardvark contacting the DVLA is quite painless. There is a form you can print off on line and pop in the post. No need to speak to anyone! I did mine about 3 weeks ago. I haven’t had anything back yet though.


softscarlet
6 years ago

The DVLA nearly caused me to have more grey hair! lol

Notified them re recent diagnosis.. several letter and forms back and forth.. re they were not quite understanding what I was trying to say…

Got a letter back to say that the medical assessor deemed that my liscence should be revoked.. on to a three yearly one.. didnt read the paperwork properly first time.. thought I had lost my liscence lol
I work full time doing home visits.. have a work car.. its my life lol..
Have sent off my liscence ot be changed.. fingers crossed I wont have anymore problems.. not sure how long it will take to come back.. got to go to work regardless..


EmS
6 years ago

I sent off a form informing the DVLA in Feb 2011 and have only just this month been told I will have a 3 yearly licence – still waiting for it to come in the post though. It takes ages, but you can still drive while you wait.


OGradyGirl
6 years ago

Thanks for all your replies 🙂 I have a motability car so no need to worry about telling the insurance company 🙂 Im more surprised at how long the whole process takes its no wonder there are thousands of drivers who have conditions they dont declare to the DVLA!!! anyway in the mean time ill jus hope i dont need it for anything 🙂 Good luck with all your applications and @EmS hope your licence comes through soon xxx


min
6 years ago

I printed off the form, sent it off, had two letters telling me it’s being dealt with. That was 10 weeks ago …..


meg
6 years ago

When my mum skidded on black ice and hit a tree, the police weren’t able to notify us because she hadn’t told the DVLA she’d moved 2 months previously and the tenant at her old house didn’t know who she was or where she’d moved. Do let them know where you are!


dizzy
6 years ago

blimey, i must have been lucky. got a letter to say i had to send my license back and got a 3 yr one within 2 weeks of that. bit miffed why they have taken most of what i was allowed to drive away tho. i m still physically fine !


Anonymous
5 years ago

A friend of mine (ahem) did not notify the DVLA of having an illness that the DVLA state he should have notified them about. He’s had this illness 10 years now, but ever since has been reluctant to declare it for fear of being fined (for not disclosing it earlier). Anyone have any experience of this? Do i recommend my friend does notify the DVLA on the basis that he definitely won’t get a juicy £1,000 fine for his trouble? Any advice gratefully received (on behalf of my friend)!


stumbler
5 years ago

Ignorance can not be used as an excuse, so it’s best that they come clean now. If they assess him, following medical reports, as being fit to drive, it’s unlikely they’d insist on a retrospective offence.
There could be a big price to pay if he has an accident now, especially if someone got hurt.
I’ve just been in contact with the DVLA as I told them 9 years ago that I had MS and they just said OK. So I went back to them recently and said why do other MS-ers have a 3 year licence? And, now I’ve got one!
So, tell your friend to just fill out their form and see what happens.
He will also need to tell his car insurance company as well, because legally he’s not covered. The insurance company won’t load the premium, but need to know that the DVLA have been advised.
Hope this helps


kerrylousie
5 years ago

I found it really easy, i notified the DVLA on diagnosis and got my 3 year licence back within the month. I also told my insurance company who said they were not interested but would note it on my file


Anonymous
5 years ago

Thanks for the prompt and helpful replies. Has anyone been in a situation (or know someone who has) when they’ve had to declare an illness to the DVLA years after it was diagnosed? I’d really like to hear from you if you have. Did you get fined for not disclosing your illness earlier? Thanks in advance!


stumbler
5 years ago

@InAPickle, why not give their helpline an anonymous call (withhold your number) and ask them.
I’m sure it’s not an unusual question.
OK, it’s an illegal situation at the moment, but you want to put it right.


danrb80
5 years ago

Yep mine was straight forward i sent mine off early June and it came back about 3-4 months later.


igc2491
5 years ago

Just sent my details about a month ago now aswell…still waiting…
what would the reasons (any conditions) over not being allowed to drive?
Have had eye problems in the past – opitc neuritis, and so on, but all of that has cleared up (for now) and nothing effects my drivig as far as I believe…
I’m concerned that because I now have pendular nystagmus (I think)they may hold that aginst me, although it doesn’t affect my eyesight…
Any one have any info on all that?
Thanks!


smackmacks
5 years ago

Hi, I was lucky I guess…I just filled in the forms and had my licence back within 6 weeks 🙂


stumbler
5 years ago

@igc2491, the DVLA are lead by your GP and your Consultant in making their decision. So, if they feel you’re OK to drive, you should be OK.


ophelia
5 years ago

I sent off my notification of change in medical condition back in April within a week or 2 of diagnosis, I’ve still heard NOTHING!!!


stumbler
5 years ago

@ophelia, things can get delayed if the response from your Consultant and/or GP isn’t forthcoming.
It would seem appropriate to give the DVLA a call to make sure everything is in hand for you. This number is probably the right one:- 0300 790 6806.


uptoeleven
5 years ago

harass harass harass. Harass the DVLA if they don’t get back to you, chase them up, force them to tell you what the holdup is. Usually it’s consultants or GPs taking ages to get back to them. Then harass your consultant / GP. Explain that you need them to sign you off as unfit to work as you need your car to work so that you can claim full benefits – they usually get their finger out at that point because that will be WAY more paperwork than a DVLA report. Get them to fax it back to the DVLA and keep pressing until you have a result. No-one should have to wait so long for these people to just do their job (I did – it took me months to get my license too… but a lot less time because I hassled them)


laurabee
2 years ago

I know this is really old forum post but was wondering what the outcome was. I too have some eye issues that only effect me when I’ll or tired and I don’t drive in either situation. My double vision is only on anything close up, have nystagmus, slight skew deviation as well as blurring when over tired. My vision is 20/20 tho and long distance is fine! What was your outcome?


naomih
2 years ago

Hi. My situation was that I had double vision in Feb. Stopped driving and waited until I was diagnosed and told by consultant my eyesight was good enough to drive. Sent letter to dvla, got frustrated a few weeks later when I felt my confidence come back and called them. Dvla advised it was noted and told me to call the insurance company and then I was legal to drive, as long as the medical reports confirmed what I said (I assume legal action would have been taken if my medical notes stated I was not fit to drive). A couple of months ago they wrote telling me I was going to have a three year license which will be renewed with medical confirmation that I am safe to drive. It won’t cost me anything and tbh I feel safer knowing that the dvla do check people! I only have an automatic license, so wouldn’t know about that being a restriction. I presume its similar to drink driving, drivers need to know when they are not safe and self regulate knowing the dangers if you don’t.


slinkygem
2 years ago

I had this convo with the DVLA recently.
Basically, as long as you don’t have actual loss of vision you should be fine.
Where you get blurred vision, if it is because your eyes are acting separately (so you go slightly or dramatically bozz-eyed like I do) then you can wear an eye patch on one eye and still drive legally. I tried this once. Never again. But still. Legal!
If you get occasional loss of vision or anything that cannot be corrected with glasses or effects your ability to judge distances then you might not be allowed to drive. Equally if you are dizzy (as I almost always am) then you can still also drive. The dizziness in my case was because my eyes were making slight movements, telling my brain I was moving, but my inner ear was telling my brain I wasn’t. This caused me to feel like I was walking on a boat in rough weather. Apparently because when driving I was actually moving, the effects were minimal, so I could drive! BOOM!

Hope that long ramble helps!

Gemma


laurabee
2 years ago

Thank you for the replies @naomih and @slinkygem I’m really glad that your driving has only been affected minimally if at all. I am very sensible and only drive when feeling good and well rested.
I have filled in the form and posted it off so just waiting to hear from them. I understand it will probably take ages to hear back but will talk to my neurologist when I see him next week. I do have worries (not with my ability to drive but with the worsening of symptoms and possibility I might need DMDs?)I just looked at my letter from ocular motility clinic and wonder if all the symptoms added up will mean they revoke my licence. Each on their own and I think I’d be fine but will several different issues might be different??
I have bilateral upper lid retraction
convergence retraction nystagmus
vertical imbalance which is variable in nature
subtle skew deviation
impaired convergence
All these point to lesions affecting brain stem, particularly the dorsal mid brain which is possibly why I get the episodes of dizziness and vestibular problems and ocular motor balance.
Thanks again for the responses
Laura


naomih
2 years ago

I wouldn’t wait, call them as your case will be logged and if your neurologist has oked you and your insurance updated they will give you an update when a letter may take weeks. (excuse grammar)


slinkygem
2 years ago

Hi Laura,
How long have you had these issues for?
I also had the most amazing case of skew deviation and impaired convergence ever. People kept approaching me with video cameras…
I had a somewhat miraculous recovery in that I was much better and able to drive after 2 months and was back to almost normal in a year.
I still get dizzy bouts and blurred vision when I am really tired or really ill too, but that hasn’t been the case when the docs have seen me unless I have relapsed. In which case I am not going anywhere! If like me you are OK most of the time, and there is a chance for improvement I wouldn’t worry. I am still on the road doing an eighty-mile round trip commute every day, so can’t be bad.

If it has been a while however and the symptoms are more frequent, they may ask to do some tests to see how bad it is and how your driving is effected.
Either way, it may be a long wait. Mine was just being renewed and took almost 4 months until it finally arrived on Tuesday.

But don’t panic. Like I said, at it’s worst I was told to drive with an eye patch on. And I was still allowed on the road then!
Oh and if they don’t reply for months, you are still allowed to drive in the meantime. Your licence isn’t effected even if it is out of date like mine was after the 2nd month of waiting.

Again hopefully helpful!
Gemma


laurabee
2 years ago

I am the same and go through stages of being absolutely fine and others where I struggle to do much. Sometimes I struggle to keep my eyes focused for more than a few minutes with close up work and other times my eyes are perfectly normal. When they play up is when I get the worst of the dizziness, nausea and balance issues but then on the other hand I am seemingly fit, healthy and able to do anything I want.
It started getting worse late last year and was referred to specialist in December, I’ve only recently been told that the vision, balance and dizziness is probably due to lesion on my brain (this was from eye clinic) but that they won’t do anything else because I’m under the care of a neurologist already. I really want to know whether the MS is getting worse or whether it’s a lesion that was present before but with no symptoms. Lots of questions for Neuro on Tuesday I guess.

Laura

ps Are you Slinkyslinkyg on twitter?


slinkygem
2 years ago

Sounds like a lot of questions indeed.
Fingers crossed your neuro will have the answers! It may be time for an MRI to check the progress and maybe a change of drugs.
New lesions suck right!

At least your OK most of the time. Keep on trucking and good luck.

And yup I am one and the same 🙂
xx


laurabee
2 years ago

Haven’t had MRI for about 18 months 2 years so possible changes…. My neuro didn’t seem bothered by my dizziness last time I saw him and asked me what I thought was causing it and what I wanted from the appointment..???? Err, I’m not the one in the know.! lol
I thought it was you, especially when you favourited one of my tweets while I was replying to the message a little while ago.
Thanks for the advice/support xx


uptoeleven
2 years ago

Hi Laura,

Certainly with the DMDs it can take a little while before they have any effect, usually at least 6 months. If you’re having all those symptoms your neuro might want to give you something to bring the inflammation down, regardless of whether it’s showing up on a scan or not. MRI scans aren’t as magic as some people think – you can have symptoms without lesions and lesions without symptoms. But symptoms caused by lesions that don’t show up on an MRI will still be relieved by steroids.

I guess it varies from team to team. My neurologist is very aggressive, he treats with oral steroids rather than IV. That means lots of pills for a few days but better than being in hospital. Really if you’re having all this stuff going on your neuro team should be more proactive. Do you have an MS nurse? Has anyone spoken to you about DMD’s? Has anyone spoken about treatment to alleviate symptoms and fix inflammation? What about your vitamin D levels?

You may find that with your current symptoms you’re not fit to drive but that after a 5 day course of steroids they’d all be fixed and then you’d be perfectly safe to drive.

(about me – diagnosed 2001, on copaxone since 2004, modafinil since 2005, vitamin D since 2013, in full remission since 2005 except for an episode in 2012).


laurabee
2 years ago

Hi @uptoeleven
I do have a good MS nurse (although last couple of visists and phone calls has been with another neuro nurse so not sure if mine is still there) My MS nurse mentioned DMDs at a time I was feeling really well and was before oral meds were available at my local hospital so I declined. She said she will keep trying to twist my arm but then never mentioned it again and now oral meds are available. My Neuro seems to think I was doing ok without, I’ve had confusing info from them both, MS nurse said that it’s important because just because somebody isn’t having new symptoms doesn’t mean irreparable damage isn’t being done ‘behind the scene’ and that I am perfect candidate for oral meds whereas the Neuro said that he thinks I’m doing ok without. I have had new symptoms since diagnosis but also had MS symptoms since 2007 but was misdiagnosed in 2008.
Obviously I don’t want to take meds unnecessarily but then I don’t want my eye issues getting worse and if the problems are down to new lesion as the eye consultant thinks then I want to do everything I can to stop progression.
My MS got my gp to prescribe steroids about a month back after my third lot of dizziness within couple of months where it had been so bad I couldn’t work, walk in straight line or do much at all but there was a mess up and by the time I finally managed to get the prescription it was 5 days later and was starting to improve so I’ve not taken them.


uptoeleven
2 years ago

Hi @laurabee,

I’m not even sure about the oral DMDs myself – I’ve been stable on daily copaxone injections for the last 10 years so I’m in the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” camp with that.

With the steroids – it depends what they prescribe, I was on 500mg methylprednisilone per day, plus an antacid, for 5 days and each time they worked. It’s unusual for improvements without steroids to be that quick. You obviously heal very quickly 🙂 When I haven’t had steroids it’s typically taken months for stuff to get better but everyone’s different. What you’re looking at right now is almost certainly NOT progression. Progression is when, after you’ve recovered from a relapse, you still have problems and they get worse. You’re probably looking at a relapse. If I were you I’d get on to your neurologist, or MS Nurse, tell them you’re having a relapse and try to get them to prescribe the steroids from the hospital. Then you get the meds the same day and you don’t have to pay for the prescription. And tell them you want to look at DMDs.

MS is sneaky. For every “clinical” episode you have, there will be anywhere between 5 and 15 “subclinical” episodes where you get lesions but no symptoms. DMDs slow the whole thing down, reducing the frequency and severity of episodes AND of lesions and inflammation. If you leave the inflammation / lesion for too long, scar tissue forms (the scleroses of multiple sclerosis) and they prevent the neurons from healing properly. So it’s a good idea to treat the inflammation.


laurabee
2 years ago

I don’t think I’m in relapse now @uptoeleven , the dizziness/eye problems has been left from a previous time when I was. It lasted 5 weeks and I was barely able to lift my head off the sofa or bed for first 3 weeks without the dizziness and nausea being so bad I was almost sick. I felt like (and looked like) I was drunk when walking anywhere and fatigue was horrendous. Since this time I’ve had on/off symptoms but much milder than the first time.
I am also the type to say if it aint broke don’t fix it, this works well with my inabilty to like too much change or the unknown… Almost impossible with MS.! I’m pleased to know you’ve been stable for the last 10 years and that copaxone is working for you… long let it last.!
It was 5x100mg methylprednisilone daily for 5 days I was prescribed and the prescription is hanging on the fridge just in case…. It’s taken me a year to get rid of the Gabapentin weight gain tho so will wait until I am really bad before taking them, if I can make it into and through a day at work then I’m not ill enough is how I look at it… Probably not the best way but only want to take them if totally necessary.
what I meant by progression is new lesions, I didn’t have one on the part of brain that eye consultant thinks is causing all my problems, he said he would’ve been booking me in for urgent scans/mris if I didn’t already have MS diagnosis. Kind of wish he had because at least then I’d know how many more lesions I have.!
I’ve just re read you previous message, I didn’t realise that treating the inflammation could mean the difference between lesions causing scars, thought lesions were the scars… Shows how little I really know.!
Laura


igc2491
2 years ago

I wrote a letter to my consultant telling him that my eye sight had improved considerably (he told me to amend the wording (I suppose it’s important) of the letter to say I had no problems at all – which I didn’t).

I was given a 3 year licence by the DVLA, which is better than nothing I suppose! 🙂


laurabee
2 years ago

That’s reassuring that the neurologist supported you in changing words to help the case @igc123. I asked my neuro (on day of diagnosis) if I needed to tell the dvla and he said not to bother because all they’d do is write to him and he’d say that I walked into room unaided, still got full use of all limbs and can see. I hope he hasn’t changed his mind since seeing the eye consultants report. It does however say they couldn’t correct it (eyes)on the day because when I am good there’s no problems with vision at all.


stumbler
2 years ago

@laurabee , your Neuro’s advice is very, very questionable. A diagnosis of MS must be advised to the DVLA. It’s a legal requirement.

I have a straightforward view of MS and driving. On any given day, us MSers have to make a rational decision that we shouldn’t drive. That puts us in a stronger position than a bigger section of the population, who can make an irrational decision on a Saturday night that they can drive! 😕


laurabee
2 years ago

I totally agree @stumbler and have been known to leave my car at work if I’m not feeling 100% ive also been known to sit in car and wait an hour in supermarket to rest before making journey home if had any dizziness! I wouldn’t ever put myself or anybody else at risk just to get from A to B! I was also little confused by my neuros response re dvla becUse is read it was a legal requirement (I had been driving around safely since symptoms started in 2007 without diagnosis so maybe he was basing it on that?)
The letter has gone so now I’m just waiting the long wait to hear back. Fingers crossed!


stumbler
2 years ago

You should have no problem with the DVLA, @laurabee . Just the wait, then you’ll probably get a 3 year licence. A lot more renewing involved, but no cost.


laurabee
2 years ago

Had neuro appointment today and asked him whether he thinks I’ll still be ok to drive (I know that dvla will write to him before making decision) he said yes I’m fine to drive. On paper the eye report looks bad but after doing a series of tests he is happy that it won’t affect my driving. Obviously I will use judgement to decide how they’re feeling on specific days the same as I have for ages anyway!
He also mentioned DMDs asked me what I thought about it but said the side effects will be worse than the symptoms. He has ordered a new MRI after saying he wanted to leave it a bit longer but then looking back on my notes at dates etc! I feel much more hopeful about the dvla now!


uptoeleven
2 years ago

igc123 – a 3 year license is all any of us will get. I’m in remission – 1 episode in 10 years – on copaxone with all symptoms including fatigue fully under control with other meds (modafinil and high dose vitamin D) and I only get a 3 year license, renewable every 3 years. Before the end of the 3 years you have to apply for a renewal and the DVLA contact your neuro for an update.

Here’s the thing:

Once the license expires, if you haven’t got any worse, you are still legal to drive (but only in the UK) as long as you’ve already applied for the renewal. So it’s not like a mad panic at renewal time – unless you’re going on holiday and hoping to hire a car. A mistake I’ve made before 🙁

laurabee – annoyingly the DMD with the least side-effects is copaxone which is a daily injection you have to do yourself – and it’s a bit of a goldilocks medicine: it has to be kept cold but not too cold, and it can get warm but not too warm and one of the side effects is that occasionally after injection a fully grown bear comes and sits on your chest for a few minutes. DMDs isn’t about treating symptoms – it’s about trying to delay the underlying damage being done to our brains – treating the cause so we don’t get as many of the symptoms in the first place…


laurabee
2 years ago

My MS nurse has said all this to me before about DMDs @uptoeleven and recommended to me to look into them but my Neuro always seems to put me off. I think because there’s no visible disability as most of my symptoms are hidden he doesn’t think there’s going to be much new activity on my MRI and thinks the newer symptoms are probably down to old lesions and not new ones. I guess I put all my trust in what they say and hope that they’re doing the right thing for me at the time.
Thanks gain for advice
Laura


slinkygem
2 years ago

Hey,

Fantastic that you have had reassurance that you will be fine. No one needs more stress…

Good luck! And fingers crossed they pull their finger out and get back to you quickly!
xx


brokendancer
2 years ago

They’re incredibly slow, I told them when I was diagnosed and said I wanted to surrender it (ataxia means I hate it now and I’m even a rubbish passenger)…. after I sent it off to them I got some really shirty letters from them to say they’d confiscate my licence if I didn’t supply medical info!

I called them up and I was told they ‘might’ have it but I’d have to wait for them to process it. The guy was apologetic but told me yes, surrender was far better than confiscation! So keep in touch if I didn’t hear anything soon and sure enough, I received a letter a few weeks later thanking me for returning it.

And silly me, had thought it’d be far simpler than a 3 yearly renewal, I think DVLA are just massive and too busy 😉

Sonia x


jd75
2 years ago

My latest license renewal took 14 months for them to turn it around, although the problem seemed to be that my neurologist never replied to their requests for information. In then end they wrote to my GP, who I went to see, watched her squiggle some answers down on their form and stuff it in an envelope basically saying I was fine to drive.

DVLA are a dinosaur of a government department and they are sadly mired in process and procedure which is why everything takes so long. I’ve seen my neurologist once in the last 3 years and when I suggested they contact my neuro nurse instead, they told me it has to be a doctor who signs the form. I mean really?!

Hopefully one day they’ll sort themselves out and get with the times. I do suspect the sun may have burned out long before that ever happens though.


northernlass
2 years ago

I told the DVLA as soon as I was diagnosed and had to send off my previous licence (paper counterpart too which I had carefully hidden somewhere in my house 🙁 ) along with Neuro contact details and any other people involved in my care. Don’t remember if they asked for it but ay hoe.. and then began the long long wait to get my licence back.. 3 years.. okay that’s fine.. then told my insurance company.. no problem .. then bought an automatic car which would be easier for me as most of my troubles were in my left side. Had a relapse in my right ankle and chose not to drive for a week as couldn’t move my leg/foot. but then back behind the wheel no probs and now have just had another relapse affecting my vision in my left eye so have chosen not to drive and have been stuck indoors with two teens (who thankfully aren’t bored with being stuck in the house for weeks) for almost 10 days.. am on the mend so hope to be able to get out very very soon… all legit and above board.. best way really

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