@DJDsouza

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DJDsouza

I love cheese

....but I know it buggers up the limited movement i do have when walking up stairs for example. The ideal solution would be to get a place where i don't need to walk up stairs, but seems like it's a long way off sometoimes

Stumbler

@Stumbler

@DJDsouza , perhaps you ought to buy smaller portion of cheese then you may be able to manage carrying it up the stairs! :wink: But, seriously, a love of cheese does get in the way of a no dairy diet!

TracyD

@TracyD

How much cheese are you buying that it's limiting your movement :-O xxx

cherish

@cherish

Couple of babybel in your joggys pouch? I don't like cheese but I also don't know what a dairy free diet does for ms?? I couldn't imagine no milk in my 98 cups of tea a day. So what does a dairy free diet do for us ms'ers? Or is dairy free just generally good for everyone? Yeah @george1234 I've tasted your hole before, it's quite satisfying ? ? xxx

cherish

@cherish

DoD'ums It wasn't you're bum hole I was referring too. I just vaguely remember sampling your other hole and it was dairy free!!!! ? ? ? xxxxxxx

cherish

@cherish

@tracyd wants a go too!! Ahhh, I remember, it's a protein hole not a dairy hole! Helps with fatigue! ? ? ? xxxx

cherish

@cherish

Yeah, like cheeses from around the world! Can we move up and down while we talk? I'm just generally not good at sitting still. ? ? ? ? xxxxx

cherish

@cherish

Sounds like we will be producing some nice brie soon! We could take that up the stairs then!! ? ? ? ? xxxx

erinlidia

@erinlidia

Oh man I can't imagine suggesting my partner reduce cheese or dairy, those are the best things ever! What problems does it create for MS? Does it contribute to inflammation?

cherish

@cherish

@erinlidia That's what I wondered too. I don't like cheese but love all other dairy products with no intention of giving them up ? ? xxx

lilbird

@lilbird

Do dietary changes make a big difference then? I've always tried not to over do red meat even before MS but only changes I've made since current relapse are about what foods I can physically get into my mouth!! Stupid wobbly hands :P & I do really,really like cheese :)

northernlass

@northernlass

OMG Being a vegie I couldn't do without Cheese... :D and as for milk in my tea, well it wouldn't be tea without a drop of "cow juice".. it'd be hot brown water.. bleecchhh :P

TracyD

@TracyD

There will never be a time when cheese won't be in my diet so what it may or may not do for my MS is irrelevant :-) The same goes for Chocolate, Cream, Butter, Coconut and Wine !!!!!

cherish

@cherish

@tracyd I defo agree with chocolate, butter, cream etc. Now you stick to wine and il stick to aftershock and if dairy is bad hopefully the alcohol will kill the dairy we eat! Sorted. ? ? xx

cherish

@cherish

DoD'ums Fancy a Dairylea Dunker? ? ? xxx

cherish

@cherish

What's his name? Where does he live? Feck, il help him eat that lurvly cheese!! ? ? ? ? ? xxxxxxx

cherish

@cherish

It's @fantasy bar dot co dot UK! Tits and cheese on the ready! My favourite dancer is called Janice! Phwoaaa, she's a beauty! ? ? ? xxxxxxxxxx

cherish

@cherish

DoD'ums It's nearly bed time and you post my photo to the whole of shift! You betch! Cheesy as feck ? ? ? xxx

Cazzzzzy

@Cazzzzzy

Hey @DJDsouza ... Although this post has moved on slightly in another direction :? lol ... I did wanna say that dairy is like poison to my MS and I haven't eaten it for a couple of years now. I know if I ate it now I wouldn't be able to stand so not worth it for me. We don't need dairy as loads of other foods are just as yummy and will make you feel better. I do think the more Progressive our MS is, the more sensitive we are to food types and dairy is a big no no! :) xxx

cherish

@cherish

@Cazzzzzy Thanks for that. Before me and George went 'off track' I was wondering why dairy products is bad for ms?? Is it bcoz dairy is known to be bad for ms or just bad for us in general? I feel like I'd have to totally retrain my brain to stop dairy bcoz I'd be guessing you'd have to stop everything (even with powder milk) in foods??? Or is powder milk ok? Thanks. Lisa ? ? xx

Cazzzzzy

@Cazzzzzy

Hi @cherish ! ... I think everyone and everyone's MS can react differently to certain food types such as dairy ... When first diagnosed I had very nearly reached a bed and wheelchair bound life. I wasn't ready for that so did all the research I could to fight this MonSter and found all the info about foods and how they affect certain illnesses, especially auto immune diseases. Foods like dairy and gluten can cause inflammation so could make all our symptoms worse ... Anyway I gave it a go and stopped all dairy and gluten and a few other foods that can cause inflammation and the difference is like night and day. I can now live more independently again and yes I still cant walk far and need my scooter to get about but numbness, headaches, a lot of weakness, spasms amongst a few other symptoms have gone... Quite incredible compared to how I was and I feel well, I am still living with problems and MS but I like and want to continue this lifestyle as I don't wanna go back to how I was :) I hope that helps explain it a bit, my MS mushy brain isn't so great at trying to explain :? ... I do think the meds (DMD's) can stop inflammation so maybe this stops inflammation so food doesn't cause any issues but it is always worth keeping a food diary of all you eat and all your symptoms and see if you can find any connections after a couple of weeks! ... George Jelenik's "Overcoming MS Diet" is a good one and cuts out the fats (such as dairy), this isn't a diet I follow, my diet is much like the "Best Bet Diet" but George Jelenik cuts out cooking in hot fats which I've learnt can make things worse. Cherish, you might find you are ok with dairy but it's always worth investigating what might make symptoms worse ... I've retrained my brain now, I used to be a pizza lover but am happier this way so it doesn't bother me ... Also foods now list all ingredients and have to highlight any allergy foods so it is doable if you ever do choose to try :) xxx

cherish

@cherish

Heya @Cazzzzy Thanks very much for that. You explained it brilliant for me. I'm just so glad stopping all dairy has helped you. You would never think that when you're told you have ms that you would possibly have to change your entire lifestyle! Do you eat meat? That's something I wouldn't miss if I thought it could help a little bit. Anyway, youre a star explaining that for me. Thanks ? ? xxx

Cazzzzzy

@Cazzzzzy

Hey @cherish ... No worries, hope it helps! :) ... No one ever told me I had to change my lifestyle, it's something I learnt myself as docs haven't yet studied enough the effects of diet, they don't really know enough yet unfortunately :? ... I was actually eating healthily before my dx but cutting out the food types such as dairy and gluten is what's helped me since... Thank god for the internet and what we can research hey! ;) I am a veggie, have been since I was 12. The Overcoming MS Diet is no meat as that diet avoids fat which I think is important but then Terry Wahls' diet includes organ meats, I think it's about experimenting and finding what works for you. Glad my explanation made sense and helped ;) xxx

cherish

@cherish

Thank you so much @Cazzzzy I know I seem to lark about a lot of my ms but it's just how I deal with it. But I truly thank you for what I wanted to find out. I do take ms seriously but if I don't laugh I'd spend my day crying and that's no use as it wouldn't help me with anything. Love to you @Cazzzzy Lisa ? ? ? ? xxxxxxxxx

Cazzzzzy

@Cazzzzzy

Oh absolutely @cherish! We have to laugh, it's massively important! :D In fact I can say I'm lucky to have the symptom of "pseudobulbar effect" (uncontrollable laughter) ... Bit awkward at times but kinda good too :) Much love xxx